UPSC NDA 2012
The candidates who are interested to join National Defense Academy may apply for the entrance exam conducted by union public service commission. Academy consists of three wings of joint training: army, navy and air force. Getting into NDA is considered highly prestigious. Admissions are conducted twice a year. At first a written test will be there which will be followed by interview rounds and also group tasks and medical. At present there are about 350 vacancies and every year number of candidates applying is increasing. This makes it more difficult for the candidates to clear the exam
Structure for the NDA Examination
The exam is divided into two parts-mathematics (300 marks) and general ability (600marks) for two and a half hour. The candidates with good mathematical skill and with right confidence can easily qualify or the test.
Paper –I (mathematics)
Paper –II (general ability)
Part ‘A’ (English) – To test candidate’s knowledge in English
Part ‘B’ (general knowledge)- It is divided into part A- F and consist of physics, chemistry, history, general science, geography and current events.
Intelligence and Personality test
The candidate has to go through verbal as well as non-verbal intelligence tests. They have to go through other exercises like GD and other outdoor group tasks. Sometimes candidates are also instructed to prepare and deliver lectures on specific subjects.
Syllabus for NDA Examination
Mathematics
- Algebra
- Analytical Geometry of two and three dimensions
- Differential Calculus
- Integral Calculus and Differential equations
- Matrices and Determinants
- Probability
- Statistics and
- Trigonometry
- Vector
English
- Antonyms
- Comprehension
- Error in Sentences
- Idioms and Phrases
- Jumbled Words
- Misspelled words
- One word Substitution
- Synonyms
- Vocabulary Test
General Knowledge
- A broad survey of Indian History
- Achievements of Eminent Scientists
- Current important events
- Elementary knowledge of Five Year Plans of India
- Elementary study of Indian Constitution and Administration
- Freedom Movement in India
- Panchayati Raj, Co-operatives and Community Development
- Prominent personalities
Chemistry
- Acids and Alkalies
- Concepts in Chemistry
- Organic and Inorganic Chemistry
Geography
- Ocean Currents and Tides
- Atmosphere and its composition
- Important Sea ports and main sea
- Origin of Earth
Physics
- Electricity and Electronics
- Motion & Laws
- Optics
Biology
- Basis of Life-Cells, Protoplasm’s and Tissues
- Difference between the living and non-living
- Elementary knowledge of human body and its important organs
- Food-Source of energy for man
- Growth and Reproduction in Plants and Animals
Eligibility Criteria
- Candidates who have cleared 10+2 and those who are currently doing can apply
- Those who had taken Physics & Mathematics in Class 12th can apply for navy and air force.
- Candidates appearing for the exam must be bachelors .They must be between16 1/2 to 19 years on January 1st or July 1st of the year subsequent to the year of the exam
- Non-permanent citizens of India are not allowed to apply
- Nationalities of Nepal, Bhutan and Tibetan refugee can apply only if they have migrated to India with a purpose to become permanent citizens of India prior to January 1st
- In case candidates origin is from India but actually migrated from either neighboring countries of India or East Africa nations like Uganda and Kenya can apply provided they are planning to permanently settle in India.
- Gorkha category of Nepal need not submit any proof
Physical standards are mentioned below
Any candidate whose height is not within157.5cms to 162.5cms cannot apply for Air Force wing. Candidates whose chest is less than 81cms cannot apply. Candidates should have proper eye-sight. They should not be overweight or under weight
How to Apply
Applications can be submitted both online and offline method.
There is a common form for all UPSC exams. In the prescribed form, a candidate has to indicate the exam he/she has applied for. Forms are available in selected post offices across the country. As soon as the application forms are received and processed, the candidates will be sent an admit card. Candidates who belong to reserved quota can post their applications along with concession proof.
Rules for Reservation
No relaxation is available to students of any category in the National Defense Academy.
How to fill the Form
On-line applications are available at http://www.upsconline.nic.in/. The Process of filling the form is given below. Candidates should follow the instructions given in the site to fill the two stages Part I and Part-II.
On-line
Applications can be done by paying Rs. 25/- (Rupees Twenty Five only) [except SC & ST]
- By submitting in any branch of SBI by cash
- By net banking facility of SBI
- By Visa/Master Credit/ Debit Card
Before filling the form, candidate’s recent photograph and signature scanned in the .png format is required. The required file size is 40KB.The notification date can be filled in the second part of the form
Off-line
Candidates applying offline need to care certain things. The candidates should fill the form themselves. The forms are processed on computerized machines; candidates should handle the forms very carefully .HB pencils should be used for darkening the circles. Entry in the boxes can be made through black or blue pen. Candidates please note that both of these fields must be filled very carefully so that there is no difference between the two entries
Important Dates
[Please note that we only provide tentative dates based on previous years dates. For exact dates related information it is always best to check official websites only.]
Important Dates for NDA I Exam
- Release of Notification: October, 2011/2012
- Last date of submission of application form: November, 2011/2012
- Date of Examination: April, 2012/2013
Important dates for NDA II EXAM:
- Release of Notification: April,2012
- Last date of submission of application form: May, 2012
- Date of Examination: August, 2012
List of NDA exam centers
- Agartala
- Ahemdabad
- Aizwal
- Allahabad
- Bangalore
- Barely
- Bhopal
- Chandigarh
- Chennai
- Cuttack
- Dehradun
- Delhi
- Dharwa
- Dispur
- Gangtok
- Hyderabad
- Imphal
- Itanagar
- Jaipur
- Jammu
- Jorhat
- Koch
- Kohima
- Kolkata
- Lucknow
- Madurai
- Mumbai
- Nagpur
- Panaji (Goa)
- Patna
- Port Blair
- Raipur
- Ranchi
- Sambalpur
- Shillong
- Shimla
- Sringar
- Thiruvananthapuram
- Tirupati
- Udaipur
- Vishakhapatnam
Contact Address for NDA Examination
- Secretary, Union Public Service Commission, Dholpur House, Shahjahan Road, New Delhi-110069
- Website: www.upsc.gov.in
- PH: 011-23389366, 23385271
Reference Books for NDA Examination
- Some of the well known reference books available are:
- Arihant NDA Entrance Exam Practice Sets by RPH
- NDA Exam Guide by Datason RP
- NDA Examiantion Solved Papers up to date
- NDA manual by Sahitya Bhawan Publications
- Practice Work Book by Dr. H. P. Sharma
- Work book NDA Examination by Dr. M. B. Lal
Coaching Centers for NDA Examination
- A.C. Vidyasagar Classes
- Akshardham the Competitive Exams Academy
- Baalnoi Academy
- Bolster Academea
- C.M.I.
- Cavalier India
- Cavalier pvt Ltd.
- Impact Coaching & Educational Services Pvt. Ltd.
- New Careers Academy
- O.P.Singh’s IAS Academy
- Olive Greens
- Tara Institute
- Test Bag Academy
- Disha Academy
Study Plan
Candidates should work mainly on their basics till 12th standard and for reference guides and previous years question paper will be useful. Give priority to biology, as it covers up a huge portion of the general ability test. Important topics:
In biology
- Diseases and causes
- Animal kingdom
- Plant anatomy and morphology.
In chemistry
- Equivalent weights
- Chemical analysis
- Inorganic compounds
- Periodic tables
- Concepts of physical chemistry
- Equilibrium
In Physics
- Quantum mechanics
- Mechanics
- Thermo dynamics
- Electromagnetism
The science questions are mostly from CBSE syllabus of class XI. Quick reference of The Competition Success will improve your general knowledge. Read magazines, newspapers and underline the difficult words and look them in the dictionary. Please prepare for test and interview by adding more and more English words to your vocabulory. Hindi can be used in the Services Selection Board. Questions are not repeated in the test.
How and Where To Get the Results
Results will be available on the official website of UPSC. So the candidates are required to visit the website in a regular basis. There are many other sites providing this information like http://www.nda.nic.in.
Expected sectional cutoffs
It is difficult to predict cut-off marks as it keep changes every year. If you score 40% in all subjects you have a good chance.
NDA 2010 Cutoff
- Geography - Minimum number of questions need to be correct for optional subject= 84-95
- Indian History –for optional subject =95-98 questions
- Mathematics – for optional subject=68 questions
- Political Science – for optional subject =90+ questions
- Public Administration– for optional subject =84-98 questions
- Sociology - for optional subject = 94-100 questions
Score Validity
The score is valid for the present year’s admission process only. It is not valid next year.
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does the application forms for NDA also comes on march or april month(2010)
Dear sir,
I was born on 13-12-1991 ,will I able to apply for nda ?
I had applied for NDA-I 2010 exam vide your application form No. 36187819 Dt. 1.11.2009 from Ahmedabad, but till date we have not received acknowkedge Card, or any reply from your side. kindly give us staus for the same.
Regards
Dear Sir,
I am anshu jain I have applied for NDA1 EXAM which is going to be conducted on 18th APRIL.But still i have not received roll no.Please provide it as fast as possible.
respected sir,
i want to know about my admit card my form no is 36642692.
and my friend’s form no. is 37206741 please tell me about both of them.????
sir, i want to know about nda eligibility criteria
I want to know that wheather my application is accepted or not.
what is the last day for submitting the application form for Nda Kaduna 2010
I have already sent my application form for UPSC CSP Exaim 2010 but still didn’t get any reply abount my application My application form number is 37805168. please i expect a quick reply from u
code of cities & egucation code
how can i download my admit card for nda 1 2010 from internet
How do i know whether my application form have received or not?
sir..
is there is any way to conform registration number?
I have applied for NDA 2010 but i I have not yet received the acknowledgement card for the application form of NDA(1) 2010. I have lost my form no. how can i know that if my form is submitted or not.Please reply soon…..Thanking you
In a year how many exams of NDA takes place and what are the dates of it. I serached but I didn’t get so please send me this information and also tell me during which period is the form advertised. please I request you to send me reply.
I HAVE ALREADY SENT MY APPLICATION FORM NO. EEE-282264 BUT STILL DON’T HAVE ANY INFOMATION WETHER MY APPLICATION FORM HAS BEEN ACCEPTED OR REJECTED. REQUEST INTIMATE BY RETURN MAIL
my age is 10july1994 when i will able to test
Sir i want to ask that i have form no
36972459 i want to confirm that when i recive my call letter.bcz i want to fill up my upseat form…………
I have already sent my application form but still didn’t get any reply
my application number is 37133011
i expect a quick reply from u
thank you
I have applied for NDA 2010 but i I have not yet received the acknowledgement card for the application form of NDA(1) 2010. I have lost my form no. how can i know that if my form is submitted or not.Please reply soon…..Thanking you
Can we enter NDA just after passing “class-10″ and if not can you give me the names of colleges giving diploma and degree in engineering after “class-10″ and also any other way to enter defence forces after passing “class-10″ ?
my return slip has not yet recived when would i get it?????????
Dear Sir,
I am Gourav saha I have applied for NDA1 EXAM which os going to be conducted on 18th APRIL.But still i have not received any kind of admit card or roll no.Please provide it as fast as possible.
I have not yet received the acknowledgement card for the application form of NDA(1) 2010 which has been despatched by post on 07.11.2009. My application no is 35422312.I tried to contact with UPSC through various means to knlow about the status of my application form but failed
i am in study in 12th now in science subject how can apply in nda exm
respected sir ,
when are the nda exams conducted in 2010 after april batch…
what differnc in nda(1)& nda(2) plz tell me sir….?
can i get nda enterence exam form and can u tell me when is exam
you had informed me that my photo is missing from application form and to sen new photo, but i was get this after the date which you have given,so what about my application Form
Sir,
i have applied for NDA 1 2010 exam but i lost my form details and i still not received my acknowledgement card…Please let me know what should i do.
i have not received my accnoledgement card till now.
can the forms for nda 2010 exams be submited now.
i will b 20yrs on jan 20011 do i hav any option for nda?
I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT MY APPLICATION FORM STATUS. MY APPLICATION FORM NO IS 37315856
Sir, I have not got my acknowledgement card and admit card yet .
so far i have not recieved my acknowledgement & Please inform when i am getting my admit card.
form no. 36977055
NDA I ( 2010)
Acknowledgement not received, pl. inform status of my applicaion form.
Thanks
Hitakshu Bhatia
i have not get my acknowledgement card till today
Sir,
I have submitted my application form for NDA-1 examination 2010 on dated 9 november 2009,and i have forgot my application form number,so plaese let me know that whether my form is accepted or not,plaese send message on my mail id.
I HAVE NOT RECIEVED MY ACCOKNOWLEDGEMENT CARD. PLEASE TELL ME THE CRITERIA TO GETY THAT
sir,
when will the application forms for NDA released?
Sir I am K Prasahanth Kumar, S/O Mr GK Ramudu. I have applied for NDA Exam 2010. My application No is36545937. Till date I have not received Acknowledgement or any information from UPSC, New Delhi. I request your kind honour to intimate present position of my application. I also request your good office to roll number, examination date and centre by sending me Hall Ticket to the undermentioned address :-
K Prashanth Kumar, S/O GK Ramudu
DNo 10-123, Kranthinagar, jeevakona
Tirupati-517501 (AP)
NDA-2 examination date?
I have not yet received the acknowledgement card for the application form of NDA(1) 2010 which has been despatched by post on 29.10.2009. My application no is 36666914.
i have not get my acknowledgement card till today
I HAD FILLED THE APPLICATION FOR NDA1 EXAM WHICH IS CONDUCTOD ON APR18 2010.WHEN I CAN RECEIVE THE REPLY FROM YOU
I have not yet received the acknowledgement card for the application form of NDA(1) 2010 which has been despatched by post on 29.10.2009. My application no is 36753109
i want to know about my NDA application form status . my application form no is. 36947435. please let me know about my form status asap.
thanks
Dear sir,
I am Dhrubajyoti Dutta.I have applyed for NDA, my form no is 37245577,still I have not received my Ack card and roll no.
Pls proved me as early as posible.
Would like to know the list of nda entrance examination centres in kerala?
When we get admit card?And tell about exam date.
My address is A/P-Vaduj,TAl-Khatav,Dist-Satara
Mobile No.9850184070
Sir,
I am attempting my 10th Exams this year can join in Defence or should I have to complete 10+2
I have apllied for NDA 2010 but I have lost the detail about form no. etc. I have not received the Acknowlegement card .
Please help me ,SIR MY CONTACT NO IS 9735752440
I have apllied for NDA 2010 but I have lost the detail about form no. etc. I have not received the Acknowlegement card .
Please help me
i did’nt get my acknoledgement card yet
Is my application form is submitted ?
is it possible that i can admiot my daughter to nda. is there any possibility that girls can be admitted in nda in the year 2019
sir,
i havent received my acknowledgement card for nda 2010.my form no. is 37054033.pls send me info as soon as possible.
Whether the application dates for NDA Entrance Exams 2010 are still open ?
how can i know my application form status of nda 2010 ..plz reply as soon as possible
sir i have not resieved my roll no. of NDA-1 2010. can u tell me how can i get my roll no. by internet..?
i ant to know about the N.D.A enterance examination on class 11th level. i am currently stydying in 10th and is interested in joining the indian defence in the next session.what is the process to enter into the service at this level.
when we get admit card?
i’ have not recieved the acknowledgement card yet & please inform me application Status of Form No. 36523802
Sir
I have apllied for NDA 2010 but I have lost the detail about form no. etc. I have not received the Acknowlegement card . I do have the speed post receipt only . I have appllied from Jaipur centre my address is 36, Bajaj ngr Enclave Jaipur .
Please help me
Regards
from where can i get info abt my upsc application form status. whether it has been accepted or not? my application form no. is-36070209. and my sister’s is-36070208.
today 30 th date, i have upsc exam form but i have not found any code pls sent me urgent code list els exam centercode , education code
i have filled the form of NDA on 28th jan but on the sites its showing that the last date of submision form was in nov can plz inform when its last date plz…
hello,sir.I AM AKASH.I HAVE JUST COMPLETED 12th.COULD I APPLY FOR NDA THROUGH UPSC FORM NOW ?
Now I am studying in Class 10th and i want to appear for the NDA entrance exam . I want to know the year when i can appear for it? And also the Dates to get the application forms.
n.d.a result
can class xi students also apply?
has my NDA form been received?
sir,i want to know about receing of my nda form.
i haven’t recieved my accoknowledgement card
i haven’t recieved my accoknowledgement card . please tell me the criteria to get that.
I have not yet received the acknowledgement card for the application form of NDA(1) 2010 which has been despatched by speed post on 29.10.2009. My application no is 35866377.
My application No. 10424039. No acknowledement has yet been received. Please confirm the status of the application through my email address.
what should be my age if i want to apply for NDA-1 examination of upsc……..?
sir,
I did’t get my acknowledgement card of NDA 1 2010 examination yet. Please send me information wheather my application form is accepted. my application no. is 36476951
hello!
kya mai nda ka entrance exam ka form kab lunga post office se
or maito abhi 11 class me padh raha hu, aur me is saal 12 me challa jaunga
tab mai kya karunga aur kaise?
plz kya aap mujhe baatainge ?
Dear sir,
I have applyed for NDA, my form no is 36678125,still I have not received my Ack card and roll no.
Pls proved me as early as posible.
Sir,
I have yet not get my admit card for Nda-1 2010,
and i have lost my application form no.
Please tell me sir when and how i get my admit card
sir,
my application form number is 36913679. i had sumbited my form but i did not get a recepit ? so tell me where i would get my recept .
i would be greatful if tell a answer of my question.
thank you
I Have not get my acknowledgement card till today.My application form no is 36393368
how many attempted i get for nda entrance exam my date of birth is 5 september 1993
I Have not get my acknowledgement card till today
can you please tell me about educational qualification code in application form for upsc exam
I sent my application for NDA (1), 2010 examination vide application No:3701127 through registered post on 9th Nov 2009 but still I have not received my acknowledgement card. Please verify and give me feedback and position of my application
HOW WILL I FILL THE FORM PLS TELL ME THE WAY TO FILL IT
my application form no is 36203921, so plz tell me how can i get examination centre code?
Sir,
I have yet not get my rollno, but all my friend have their rollno. so please tell me from where I could have it and information about it. I have the acknowledgement card
Applicaton no 36450350
I have filled form of NDA .
I want to know the exact date of written test held in 3rd week of april.
what are the conditions considered for physical fitness
Is my form recieved or not /form no.36898450
of NDA-1 ,2010
what is the date of nda entrence exam 2010
i am in class 11(1 month remaining to complete class11).when could i send application form for nda and what is the last submission date
sir,
i’ haven’t recieved the acknowledgement card yet .the status of form number is 36842361
I Have not get my acknowledgement card till today.
Application Status of Form No. 36991191
I want know about the when applications are issued
sir i want to know that when is the next exam ? am a b.tech student in 3rd yr can i appear the exam that much.thank you.
Hence i was not confirmed about the last i registered for NDA 1 on 17-01-2010, so i just want to ask that will my form be accepted or not?
i am 18 years old and i got 59.4% marks in 12th class can i fill the farm for nda-1 and nda-11.
what is the date of second phase nda entrance exam 2010?
SI I DINT RECEIVED MY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT CRD TILL TODAY.AND MY APPLICATION FORM NO 37104071.AND I WAS POSTED AT 04/11/2009.SO SEE WHETHER MY APPLICATION FORM HAS GOT UP TO U OR NOT
when is the last day of application finalised?
Sir,
How to get Education code, exam cente
This is very urgent as 10days remian to fill up the form.
Thanks
SIR,3 YEAR DIPOLMA STUDENT IN MECHANICAL THEY ARE GO FOR IN NDA
Status of Form No. 36770224
I Have not get my acknowledgement card till today. If my application is recived, why I not yet get my acknowledgement card. I also forgot my form no. Can I appear in the exam. Please inform
when is the nda 2 (2010) going to be held
what is scope for those students who has passed out 10+2 with humanities and cultural subject?
sir,
i m in 1st year of my graduation.
and my DOB exists for CDS exams …I just want to knw if i would pass CDS(II)2010….will SSB board select me…
kindly reply back soon .
thanking you
CAN I DO ONLINE EXAMINATION FOR JUNIOR COMMERCIAL OFFICER
i am doing my M.B.A( finanes) & i want to join INDIAN armey so what exam will be good for me?
tell the exam center code,educational qualificational code n preferences
dear sir
has my aplication form been accepted 37045659
my form is 37045659 submit
i want to know about the syllabus because i want to qualify nda and my aim is to become an air force pilot.it is not only my dream but also a craz.
Can international student apply,what are the requirment for them and the amount four the school fee
SIR,I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE ACKNOWLEGMENT CARD FOR EXAMS OF UPSC 2010 WHAT TO DO SIR??????????????
when will i recieve the acknowledgement card?if i have posted NDA form on 3 nov 2009
cant we apply on the internet? cos i want to and were can we obtain the form and when is the form closing.lastly pls were are the examination center
Sir i wanted to know when will be the next exam in 2010
also i wanted to join navy can i join navy by nda ???
i want to know what happen to my app. form because till now i dint get my aknowledement card .please inform as fast as possible.my app. form no 36940422,, i did call to nda office but no one is answering my call ,, tried so many times plz let me known about my application form status //
I’m an engineering student, studying in 6th semester,can i apply for NDA?
my friend has to apply for NDA. He has not filled the october form and he will be of 19 age in august 2010. So please inform me that is there any other alternative possible through which he can fill NDA form and what are the tentative dates for the second exam after the april one in 2010
Respected sir,
I m planning to appear for CSP group ‘a’ exams for this year.
Please help me find educational qualification code , to be prescribed in the application form.
Please also help me with commission’s notice no to be mentioned in the application form along with date published in rozgar samachar/Employment news.
Respected sir,
I m planning to appear for CSP group ‘a’ exams for this year.
Please help me find educational qualification code , to be prescribed in the application form.
Please also help me with commission’s notice no to be mentioned in the application form along with date published in rozgar samachar/Employment news.
Thanks & Regards
Resha.
sir,
i have applied for NDA-2010 (i) , i have dispached the application on 14 december2009 by speed post. but i have not yet received the acknowledgement, i am afried whether application has reached or not, how to confirm, give the contact details if any
lik telephone no. etc.
thanks
with regards
j.abhinav reddy
my nda form is submit date is 16-10-2009 but i have no admit card
to show that my form is selectes
Sir, My nephew is doing his Post Diploma in Plastic Moulding Technology(from CIPET, Chennai)after IO std. Is he eligble to aply for NDA army/navy/airforce exam ?
how much high i have to get rank yo be elligible for an iaf pilot?
thank but please i need the nda form for 4 yers $ i’m going for marring or airforce.my question is how can i get the oraginal nda 4year form from the sit [where to enter.
Respected Sir, i would like to know about my admit card of nda exam which is going to be conducted probably at 3rd week of april. kindly furnish me the relevant information regarding this especiaaly abt my admit card. my app form no is 37250426.plz do let me know abt this at my earliest?
i want to join airforce of nda.so what can i do?
sir, when shall i recieve any confirmation for the approval of my application form
please tell me about the details of fill the nda1, ifos,enginearing form and also tell me about the last date of submitt the form and exam date .
yours faithfully,
sunil bishnoi.
how to application status for NDA 2010??
sir i am going to pass my 12th exams in med+math
how can i peco an army poilot as it is my AIM which i have to full fill at any cost please give me its broad detials as i cannot understand the details from internet
i want to know what happen to my app. form because till now i dont got my aknowledement card .pls inform as fast as possible.my app. form no 37295655
i wanted 2 appear for the nda examination i will be going to 12th this april and at present my age is 17&1/2 yrs old and this july i will be 18 so i would like to appear for the nda examination this year itself.please guide me and reply soon
thanking you.
i didnt get my acknowledgment yet… kindly please tell me quickly where can i check my form status
Non receivement of acknowledgment card.
has my application forn been accepted form no. 36567248
give me full status about my form
can i give nda exam in class 11th
for the form of exam to whom should i contact for and where should i contact i want to give the exam for practice in class 11th
i want to know what happen to my app. form because till now i dont got my aknowledement card .pls inform as fast as possible
sir i didt get my admid card i want to know weather i am selected or not