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If diploma is also an engineering...then y the diploma holders r not called as Engineers where as the degree holders r called the same??? Can you justify this? Please brief me with the information which would support the same? Thank you!

An engineer is a professional practitioner of engineering, concerned with applying scientific knowledge, mathematics, and ingenuity to develop solutions for technical, societal and commercial problems. Diploma holders are not called as Engineers because, they have not learned about the Engineering completely. When they pursue Engineering course after completion of their three years Diploma course then, they are called as Engineers.

Diploma holder's does not called engineer's because diploma is a basic course of engineering. Subjects studied in diploma is the basic subjects while in engineering you will study all the same subjects in advance mode.

Also the level of study of engineering is much more higher than that of diploma. Engineering is a graduation degree while diploma is not. You can do engineering after completing diploma.

Diploma is the basic study of the engineering.
The course in diploma is studied in depth in engineering.so,the diploma students are not considered as engineering.
Diploma students cannot handle technical problem completely where as enginerring student.
So,diploma is not equivalent to engineering.
All the best

A Diploma holder who has 5year experience in civil field and has a Knowledge equivalent to a Degree holder and can handle any technical issue, Is he considered as Engineer?

In india, engineering is only limited to B.E. or B.Tech, even if you are more knowledgeable and many years experienced than a B.E. or Btech, you will still be considered as a supervisor and not an engineer. India sadly, has Engineering Degree as the bare minimum criteria to recongnise you as an Engineer.

Everybody understands there is something called 'Certificate', and it is essential for gaining higher qualification, job etc.
In the same way there is something called 'Experience', and it is not easily accessible to everyone. A B.Tech candidate quickly gains CCNA and as no Experience - what is he called as? .... after few days of day-to-day activity he even forgets his studies also.
We all must accept this....

Hence we must give respect to concerned people in respective profession in the engineering field - let him be a Diploma or Degree holder they both are Engineers and each have their own level of expertise in their respective jobs.

Please do not underestimate a Diploma holder, as many of our top management professionals in productive organizations are Diploma holders only and they train B.Tech/M.Tech people to initially start earn their profession.

Dear Friend,

Engineering diploma is not equivent to engineering degree. In diploma you just learn basics idea about engineering but in digree you learn all about engineering. After diploma you get certification of junior engineer, so if you take lateral entry in graduation course of engineering which as B.Tech/B.E then you will called engineer.

Regards,
Sandhya

There is no such post as Engineer. There are Junior Engineer, Assistant Engineer, Executive Engineer, Superintending Engineer,Chief engineer etc in order of higher ranks.
Diploma holders are called Junior Engineer.
Even a Degree holder starts as Assistant Engineer.
It is only in name and anyone in Technical field recognises the value of diploma.
In organisations like Railways,JE can get promoted to Senior Section Engr which is the starting point for B.Tech and then can further get promoted to Assistant Divisional Engineer (AEN) and then upto Divisional Engineer (DEN). The time taken will be more definitely,but there ia chance. So someone with lesser knowledge not calling a diploma holder as Engineer doesn't makes him/her a Clerk equivalent. There is name,promotion, respect in technical line of work.

Because the level of qualifications is lower than that of a Degree holder. A Diploma holder would be recognized as I technician in any country's Institute of Professional Practicing Engineers such as IEAUST (Institute of Engineering Australia)

Diploma holder's does not called engineer's because diploma is a basic course of engineering. Subjects studied in diploma is the basic subjects while in engineering you will study all the same subjects in advance mode.

Also the level of study of engineering is much more higher than that of diploma. Engineering is a graduation degree while diploma is not. You can do engineering after completing diploma.

To be a full member of the Institute of Engineers Australia will require the completion of a Bachelors Degree from a university. The Institute (now Engineers Australia) puts a lot of energy into classing various levels of engineering courses and unfortunately its focus is primarily on the education level. I don't believe a member with less than a degree education would be granted full member status regardless of numbers of years of experience that a person may have contributed to the profession. All members regardless of their level are in my view considered Engineers however only full members are classed as Professional Engineers.

M. Visvesvaraya was a civil engineer (Diploma in Civil Engineering)

You cannot compare a diploma holder with a degree holder each have their own specialities some says diploma only gives you the basics it bullshit both degree and diploma students learns the same in each aquintance for instance an electronics engineering students in diploma and degree has almost same syllabus but the difference is diploma holders have more technical skill than degree holders and most people downgrade diploma and its not given the proper attention there are more jobless degree holders than diploma in our country no matter what name they call you the possibility of getting a job in diploma is higher than degree

There is no like taking basic course or syllabus in diploma. Both diploma and B.tech took the same syllabus. The only differences is that b.tech has a more syllabus and more years to complete than the 3 years diploma engineering. By the way don't be confused what is mean by degree. degree means is like achievement, value or rank etc. Not only bachelor's are considered as degree. Both D and B are degrees.

i was searching for post on positions for diploma engineers, i had been through all the comments in this forum on diploma engineers, the guest have commented fairly, but members who have commented are either biased, partial or do not know what is the exactly difference between ITI OR tradesmens course, and diploma and degree studies. firstly the comment on diploma holders that they are being taught basic of engineering is unfair, invalid, incorrect because technician level of basic engineering is taught to ITI OR trades mens certificates courses in india who after completion of this course are qualified and designated as TECHNICIANS BUT as far as engineering studies are concerned whether diploma or degree engineering couses both diploma and degree engineers are taught all the same subjects, syllabus in first 3 years of studies and covers all essential subjects to enable both of them to carry out all requisite engineering calculations, as and where required in ENGINEERING field and enables both of them handle tasks assignment as engineers as and where needed for engineering application for life time, the the only difference in their studies is tenure of sudies is 1 year differnce diploma in engineering gets completed in 3 years and degree in engineering gets completed in 4 years, in the fourth years of degree engineering studies their are few additional and optjonal subjects which is the only difference, but in the intial 3 years of studies both diploma and degree engineers have identical subjects, syllabus and in first 3 years all the crucial and essential engineering subjects are taught equally to diploma and degree students as engineers which gives them leading edge to do equally all the requisite engineering calculations, and
carry out all requisite duties and responsibilities as engineer. one one become engineers or professional by taking only diploma, degree, masters, phd education the most important is work experience which is above degrees.

MOST OF THE RESPECTED AND REKNOWNED WORLD SCIENTIST WHO HAVE DISCOVERED MANY NATURAL PHENOMENA HAVE NEVER ATTENDED SCHOOL BUT IT AS THEIR SELF SUDIES AND PERSISTENT EXPERIMENTS WHICH MADE. AS THEY HAVE NEVER TAKEN FORMAL EDUCATION IN SCHOOL COLLEGES, UNIVERISITES AND DONOT HOLD PHD DEGREES THEN WHY ARE WE FOLLOWING THEIR THEORIES, FORMULAS, INVENTION. WHY ARE WE NOT DELETING THEIR NAMES AS THEY NEVER EVER ATTENDED EVEN SCHOOL. WE CAN NEVER SO DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE SET BENH AND PROVEN THIS BULLSHIT WORLD THAT FORMAL EDUCATION IS NOT IMPORTANT ITS THE DETERMINATION WHIH SETS BENCH MARK.

students. if diploma in engineers are not considered engineers and only degree engineers are considered engineer than why are we having such system who destroys life of millions of students who do engineering in the name of diploma, all colleges who are conducting diploma engineering courses should get closed and only colleges offering degree engineering should continue. similar is the case in medical studies in india we have medical courses such BUMS/BHMS/BAMS WHICH IS 7 OR 5 YEARS course in medical stream conducted by mcim affiliated univerisites in india and completion of this course enables them with title doctor in medical studies and if you see their syllabus its almost identical to MBBS studies in medical stream, but after completion of this course this students struggles even to earn livelihood as doctor they are not being employed in hospitals where only MBBS STUDENTS are being employed as doctors, all those students who are doing medical studies in BUMS/BAMS/BHMS are of now where after lots of struggle they either switch over to some other stream or leave it forever. And when students of BUMS/BHMS/BAMS approach to MINISTRY OF external affairs office in india for getting their degrees stamped as doctors which is needed as mandatory for overseas assignment and for which they as they are eligible for because all these courses are conducted by universities as per MICM SYLLABUS and norm and certificate issued to the same govt has other in ministry of external affairs they straight away refuses to stamped the degrees of BUMS/BHMS/BAMS students as doctors isnt it shcoking, terryfying what kind of system we have in india in one hand so biased, partial in one hand the same govt gives approval to run such professional courses and on the other hand they refuses to accept their own approved professional courses. why our system is spoiling carrier and life of our own people why are they giving approval to such coourses which even they own refuse later why???? what is the system bullshit.

look in europe or usa i dont have idea about other countries, where qualification, experience and other elements have a been set with defined rated scores only qualification is not the criteria for employment, and even look at their education system where person in later stage can pursue higher educatrion. in usa you can obtain practicing engineer license after certain specified years of practice inn specific technical stream.

we have bullshit partial system in india in name of religion, cast, race, wealth, diploma, degree, equivalent and infinite thing we know only partiality nothing else.

Institute of Engineers Papua new guinea and the Department of Higher education should change Diploma in Civil Engineering At the National Polytechnic institute of Papua New Guinea to Diploma Civil technology or something or just close all Institutions that offer Diploma.