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Is a Biotech student eligible for IFS exam?


hi... i m shruti. i m doing b.sc (h) biotechnology. i m in 4th year. i just want to know that m i eligible for indian forest services exams which is commencing in july this year . please help me out and please send me detail of this exam . thanks.




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24th February 2011, 03:23 AM
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hi friend
the qualification for the IFS exam is

Qualifications: A graduate’s degree with one of the disciplines namely Animal Husbandry & Veterinary Science, Botany, Chemistry, Geology, Mathematics, Physics, Statistics and Zoology or a graduate’s degree in Agriculture, Forestry or in Engineering
Age Limit: 21-30 years

so in qualification bio tech is not mensioned so i think you are not eligible for IFS.
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24th February 2011, 07:34 AM
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Yes, bioteck students are also eligible for the exam of IFS.
the basic eligibility for this exam is bachelor degree in any subjects/stream.
the candidate also the nationality of INDIA.
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[SIZE=3]IFS (Indian Forest Service)[/SIZE]
Yes you are eligible as subjects in your biotech cousre matches the eligibility criteria subjects.
Eligibility Criteria: Entry into the Indian Forest Service is open to candidates between the ages of 21 and 30 years, as on 1st July of the year of the examination, with a Bachelor's degree in Science with at least one of the following Subjects: Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, Botany, Zoology, Geology, Statistics, Veterinary Science and Animal Husbandry; or Bachelor's degree in Engineering (any stream) / Forestry/ Agriculture; or MBBS.
Exam Date : Prelim in 1st week of May & Mains in 2nd week of Oct

All the Best......
For complete details go to http://www.upsc.gov.in
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**Eligibility Condition For IFS In Brief**
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i m ,shruti, doing b.sc in biotechnology (h) .i m in final year . i m in four year course so i m in 4th year. so m i eligible for indian forest services exams 2011. please answer my question.
IFS i.e Indian Forest Services

I) Age limits :

Minimum:-21 years
Maximum:-30 years as on 1.7.2011

II) Educational Qualifications :

You need to have any Bachelor's Degree with at-lest any of the following subjects in your Degree level (Animal Husbandry & Veterinary Science, Botany, Chemistry, Geology, Mathematics, Physics, Statistics and Zoology )
Or
a Bachelor's degree in Forestry or in Engineering or Agriculture or any Equivalent Exam.

You are Eligible because as You had Mathematics and Physics on very Ist semester of your Biotechnology course.Don't Worry You can Give this Exam.


III)
No. of permissible attempts :

4 for General Candidates
7 for OBC Candidates
Any time for SC/ST Candidates
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24th February 2011, 02:29 PM
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You must be graduates with atleast one of the following subjects: Physics, Chemistry, Botany, Zoology, Mathematics, Statistics and Geology; from a recognized university, or must have Bachelors Degree in Agriculture or Engineering or Forestry from a recognized university. This is the educational qualification requirement for IFS
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Yes as per my knowledge you are eligible.
I would like you to read the below details for further clarification.

Details related to IFS(Indian Forest Service) exam 2011:

UPSC IFS Age criteria :
1) The candidate should not be less than 21 yrs. of age & more than 30 yrs. as on 01.07.2011.
2) The upper age is relaxed for SC / ST / OBC categories.

IFS Eligibility criteria / Educational Qualification :
1)The applicant must have Bachelor’s degree or its equivalent with at least one of the subjects like Animal Husbandry and Veterinary Science, Botany, Chemistry, Geology, Mathematics, Physics, Statistics and Zoology or a Bachelor’s degree in Agriculture, Forestry or in Engineering.

2)The degree must be from a recognized university.

UPSC IFS Application fee :
1) General category & OBC candidates have to pay the fee of Rs. 100/-.
2) SC /ST / PH candidates are exempted from this.

IFS number of attempts :
1) A candidate can only attempt for few times.
2) This is different for different categories.
3) For general category, one can give 4 attempts whereas OBC candidates can give 7 attempts & SC / ST candidates has no limit to the attempts.

Important Dates :
1) Date of Notification : 12.03.2011
2) Last date of receipt of application form : 11.04.2011
3) UPSC IFS 2010 written exam date : 0.07.2011

IFS No.of vacancies : 84


For more details visit the official site :
http://upsc.gov.in/exams/notificatio...fs.htm#PageTop
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Hello friend,
The minimum educational qualification required to be eligible for the exam is a Bachelors degree with at least one of the following subjects.
Animal Husbandry and Veterinary Science
Botany
Chemistry
Geology
Mathematics
Physics
Statistics
Zoology
Apart from this, candidates with a degree in Agriculture or Forestry or engineering, are also eligible for the exam.

The minimum eligible age for the exam is 21 years and the maximum age limit is 30 years.( with relaxation for candidates belonging to SC/ST and OBC)

For further information, you may visit the official website of UPSC.
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24th February 2011, 06:50 PM
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hi,
Indian forest service is about the preservation & management of forests & wild life of the country. The IFS exam is conducted by UPSC on a All India level. Many students are trying to establish their careers in IFS.
It is one of the upcoming streams being opted by many people all over the world. Its quite interesting also.

eligilety

1.Nationality : you must be either a citizen of India or Nepal or Bhutan or a Tibetan refugee who came to Indian before 1st Jan 1962 for permanent settlement.

2.Age : 21 to 30 years of age.
There is relaxation of 5yrs for SC / ST / Ex-serviceman / ECOs / SSCOs. 3yrs. for OBC / Defence Services personnel disabled.

Also 10 yrs. relaxation for blind, deaf-mute & orthopedically handicapped persons.

3.Minimum Educational Qualifications :
you have a Bachelor’s degree from a recognized university with at least one of the subjects as mentioned under optional subjects in IFS Exam pattern article.


(Animal Husbandry & Veterinary Science, Botany, Chemistry, Geology, Mathematics, Physics, Statistics and Zoology )
Or
a Bachelor's degree in Forestry or in Engineering or Agriculture or any Equivalent Exam.


BEST OF LUCK.
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Is a Biotech student eligible for IFS exam?


I think Yes, The Biotech Students Are Eligible to Apply for IFS Examination.

So, To Appear in IFS Examination, Which Are Held on 09/July/2011, Only those Candidates Are Eligible, Who Have Hold a Bachelor's Degree With at least One of the Subjects Namely, Animal Husbandry and Veterinary Science, Botany, Chemistry, Geology, Mathematics, Physics, Statistics and Zoology.

OR

You Have A Bachelor's degree in Agriculture, Forestry Or in Engineering of a Recognized University. And Make Sure That, You Must have Attained the Age of 21 Years and Must Not have Attained the Age of 30 Years, Only then you are Eligible To Appear In IFS exams.


Important Dates -



The Notification Was Not Yet Announced And It Was Announced In 12/March/2011 In the UPSC Official Websites OR in Employment Newspaper.

And the Last Date For Receipt Of Applications Was 11/April/2011.

The Exams Was Held On 09/July/2011.



And If You Want to Get More details Regading IFS Examination, The I will Suggest You Just Visit the Official Websites To get More Details -


http://www.upsc.gov.in/exams/exams.htm
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hi... i m shruti. i m doing b.sc (h) biotechnology. i m in 4th year. i just want to know that m i eligible for indian forest services exams which is commencing in july this year . please help me out and please send me detail of this exam . thanks.
hi buddy,
wishing you all the very best for your aim..any graduate can opt for IFS exam provided you can manage any of the optional papers mentioned below..

Age : The candidate must be between 21 to 30 years of age.
Minimum Educational Qualifications : The candidate must have a Bachelor’s degree from a recognized university with at least one of the subjects as mentioned under optional subjects in IFS Exam pattern.

Written Exam : It consists of 6 papers. The total marks will be 1400.

Paper I – It is based on General English. The question paper will be of 300 marks. The standard will be of a science or engineering graduate of an Indian university. There is no such prescribed syllabus for this. The applicant will have to write an essay in English & other questions will be for checking the understanding of English language & his/her knowledge of English words.
Paper – II – It is General Knowledge paper of 300 marks. The standard will be same as English paper. The candidate should have the knowledge of current affairs, history & geography of the country, political system & constitution. The candidate should be up-to-date.
Paper III to Paper VI – The candidate have to select any 2 optional subjects. There will be 2 papers on each optional subject. The papers will be of 200 marks each. The optional subjects are agriculture, animal husbandry & veterinary science, chemistry, civil engineering, geology, mechanical engineering, statistics, agricultural engineering, botany, chemical engineering, forestry, mathematics, physics & zoology. You have to select only 2 subjects.
Each paper will be divided into 2 parts, part A & part B. There will be 8 questions in each paper in which 4 questions in Part A & 4 questions in part B. Out of 8 questions, you just have to attempt 5 questions. There will be 1 compulsory question in each part. So at least you have to attempt 2 questions from each part.

INDIAN FOREST SERVICE EXAM, 2011
LAST DATE FOR RECEIPT OF APPLICATIONS :11.04.2011 (MONDAY)
DATE OF COMMENCEMENT OF EXAM :09.07.2011 (SATURDAY)

have a great day..:-)
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24th February 2011, 07:47 PM
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Yes, you are absolutely eligible for IFS....

eligibility criteria for IFS:

Candidates with a Bachelor's degree in Science with at least one of the following Subjects: Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, Botany, Zoology, Geology, Statistics, Veterinary Science and Animal Husbandry
or
A Bachelor's degree in Engineering (any stream) / Forestry/ Agriculture
or
an MBBS.

your age limit should be between 21 years and 30 years.

The exam will held in the 2nd week of July.

The exam pattern will be like:

General English which consists of essay writing, precise/summary writing and questions to assess your comprehension and verbal ability in English.

General Knowledge which covers questions relating to the Indian political system, the Constitution of India, history of India, geography (India and world), general science and current events (national and international).

the questions will be of higher secondary level and the optional subject will be of Honors degree level.

to prepare for IFS, you can follow these books...
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24th February 2011, 09:15 PM
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Hi,
according my thinks the Biotech students are eligible for IFS exam.
So, To Appear in IFS Examination, Which Are Held on 09/July/2011, Only those Candidates Are Eligible, Who Have Hold a Bachelor's Degree With at least One of the Subjects Namely, Animal Husbandry and Veterinary Science, Botany, Chemistry, Geology, Mathematics, Physics, Statistics and Zoology.

OR

You Have A Bachelor's degree in Agriculture, Forestry Or in Engineering of a Recognized University. And Make Sure That, You Must have Attained the Age of 21 Years and Must Not have Attained the Age of 30 Years, Only then you are Eligible To Appear In IFS exams.


Important Dates -



The Notification Was Not Yet Announced And It Was Announced In 12/March/2011 In the UPSC Official Websites OR in Employment Newspaper.

And the Last Date For Receipt Of Applications Was 11/April/2011.

The Exams Was Held On 09/July/2011.
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24th February 2011, 09:41 PM
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hi... i m shruti. i m doing b.sc (h) biotechnology. i m in 4th year. i just want to know that m i eligible for indian forest services exams which is commencing in july this year . please help me out and please send me detail of this exam . thanks.
You are eligible for IFS exam .
best of luck
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24th February 2011, 11:58 PM
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yes of course you are eligible for this examination.
This will be clear to you if you see the eligibility conditions yourself.
IFS i.e Indian Forest Services
Educational qualifications eligible for IFS exam is Bachelor's Degree with at-lest any of the following subjects in your Degree level (Animal Husbandry & Veterinary Science, Botany, Chemistry, Geology, Mathematics, Physics, Statistics and Zoology )
Or
a Bachelor's degree in Forestry or in Engineering or Agriculture or any Equivalent Exam.
since engineering students study maths and physics you fulfill the eligibility criteria.
so you can give this exam.
further
Age limits allowed for IFS exam is just like most other UPSC exams 21 years to 30 years as on 1.7.2011... you can have 4 attempts as a general category students
7 as obc and no limit for sc/st...according to your categories.




III) No. of permissible attempts :

4 for General Candidates
7 for OBC Candidates
Any time for SC/ST Candidates
visit for IFS exam
http://www.upsc.gov.in/exams/exams.htm
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25th February 2011, 10:32 AM
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Hi,

If you are Biotech student ,you are eligible for IFS exam.

IFS exam will be held on 9/july/2011.

Eligibility condition is that you Have Hold a Bachelor's Degree With at least One of the Subjects Namely, Animal Husbandry and Veterinary Science, Botany, Chemistry, Geology, Mathematics, Physics, Statistics and Zoology.


Important Dates -



The Notification Was Not Yet Announced And It Was Announced In 12/March/2011 In the UPSC Official Websites OR in Employment Newspaper.

And the Last Date For Receipt Of Applications Was 11/April/2011.

The Exams Was Held On 09/July/2011.
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hi,m in my 3rd year b.sc(biochemistry,genetics and biotechnology)m i eligible for this IFS EXAM
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i did my graduation from bangalore university in bsc(genetics,biochemistry and biotechnology)m i eligible for this IFS EXAM,
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i did my graduation from bangalore university in bsc(genetics,biochemistry and biotechnology)m i eligible for this IFS EXAM,
IFS (Indian Foreign Service OR Indian Forest Service )

Minimum Educational Qualifications :

candidate must hold a Bachelor’s degree with at least one of the subjects namely
  • Animal Husbandry & Veterinary Science
  • Botany
  • Chemistry
  • Geology
  • Mathematics
  • Physics
  • Statistics
  • Zoology

or a Bachelor’s degree in Agriculture, Forestry

or in Engineering

SO if you have either of subjects definitely you are eligible......your subject are related but cannot sure..

Age Limits :

candidate must have attained the age of 21 years and must not have attained the age of 30 years on 1st July, 2011........

IFS Exam conducted by UPSC (Union Public Service Commission).
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10th April 2011, 07:48 PM
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To appear for IFS exam,one should have completed graduation in any stream and age of his/her should be between 21 to 30 years for General category,for OBC category 21 to 33 year,no limit for SC/ST category.

As you have completed Biotech course,this also a graduation degree,so you can appear forthis exam,if you fulfill age requirement also.
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10th April 2011, 10:41 PM
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Indian Forest Service Examination 2011

Eligibility Conditions:-

Educational Qualification:-

The candidate must hold a Bachelor degree with at least one of the subjects:
  • Animal Husbandry & Veterinary Science,
  • Botany,
  • Chemistry,
  • Geology,
  • Mathematics,
  • Physics,
  • Statistics and
  • Zoology or
  • Agriculture,
  • Forestry or
  • Engineering
From recognized university.

Age Limits:-
  • A candidate must have attained the age of 21 years and must not have attained the age of 30 years.
  • for SC/ST 5 years relaxation
  • For OBC 3 years relaxation.
  • A maximum of five years if a candidate had ordinarily been domiciled in the State of Jammu & Kashmir.
  • A maximum of three years in the case of Defence Services personnel disabled in operations during hostilities.
  • A maximum of five years in the case of ex-servicemen including Commissioned Officers and ECOs/SSCOs
  • A maximum of 10 years in the case of blind, deaf-mute and Orthopaedically handicapped persons.

Number of attempts:-
  • For general category 4 attempts
  • For OBC 7 attempts
  • For SC/ST unlimited.

So i think you are eligible for this examination

All the Best....
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11th April 2011, 12:19 AM
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According to the criteria you should have a bachelor's degree.So you are eligible for the exam.
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Yes definately you are eligible for IFS you can have more information from the following notification of IFS:
Attached Files
File Type: pdf IFS INFORMATION BROUCHURE.pdf(181.4 KB, 124 views)
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11th April 2011, 04:54 PM
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Hi friend,

You must finish your degree for applying for IFS exam. The graduation

is only not enough, it must be the degree in animal husbandry or veternary

science or physics or geology or zoology or botany or agriculture and also

BIO-TECH. You must be with the age limit of 21 to 30 yrs.

SO YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR APPLYING FOR IFS EXAM.

ALL THE BEST
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Yes biotech student eligible for IFS exam but you need to be graduate means your graduation is complete to fill the form of IFS...
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Yes you are eligible as subjects in your biotech cousre matches the eligibility criteria subjects.
Eligibility Criteria: Entry into the Indian Forest Service is open to candidates between the ages of 21 and 30 years, as on 1st July of the year of the examination, with a Bachelor's degree in Science with at least one of the following Subjects: Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, Botany, Zoology, Geology, Statistics, Veterinary Science and Animal Husbandry; or Bachelor's degree in Engineering (any stream) / Forestry/ Agriculture; or MBBS.
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hi,i m doing my graduation in bsc(biotechnology,genetics,biochemistry) from bangalore..can i appear for indian forest service examination.are my subjects related to appear for the examination..can i appear for the indian forest service examination if my subjects in b.sc are biotechnology,genetics and biochemistry,
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Hi....myself devaram choudhary persueing B-Tech Biotechnology... m i eligible for IFS exam?
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hello everybody!

hi i am surendran.i have completed B.Sc Biochemistry.i want to know is biochemistry eligible for ifs exam?
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is biotech students are eligible for maharashtra forest services
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Below is the Eligibilty to apply for the Indian Forest Officer exams:

Bachelors degree Pass.
You should have studied at least one of the below subjects in the Bachelors Degree Level
Animal Husbandry & Veterinary Science, Botany, Chemistry, Geology, Mathematics,
Physics, Statistics, Zoology

or
Bachelor’s degree in Agriculture, Forestry
Or
BE/Btech pass


Age- Minimum 21 years
Maximum 30 years
Age relaxations of 3 years is given to OBC candidates and 5 years to SC/ST candidates

Attempts-
General Category- 4 times
OBC category-7 times


Scheme of Examinations

Paper I General English
Paper II General Knowledge
Paper III Optional paper
Paper IV Optional paper
Paper V Optional paper
Paper VI Optional paper



You have to choose two optional papers from the below list, Each optional Papers will have two papers each in the exams.

Agriculture
Agricultural Engineering
Animal Husbandry & Veterinary Science
Botany
Chemistry
Chemical Engineering
Civil Engineering
Forestry
Geology
Mathematics
Mechanical Engineering
Physics
Statistics
Zoology
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Dear Friend,

The Acronym "IFS" stands for Indian Forest Services.

the Union Public Service Commission conducts the IFS Exam, every year for the recruitment of forest officers at the national level.

The UPSC has set some eligibility criteria for this exam which interested candidates has to fulfill in any case if they want to appear for this exam.

The Eligibility Criteria for the exam :

* The minimum educational qualification required for this exam is graduation from any UGC recognized university.

* The candidate must have completed graduation in any of the following subjects :

Animal Husbandry & Veterinary Science, Botany, Chemistry, Geology, Mathematics, Physics, Statistics and Zoology.

* There is no specific percentage bar required in graduation for this exam.

* Age Limit :

a) For General Candidates : 21-30 yrs

b) For OBC Candidates : 21-33 yrs

c) For SC/ST candidates : 21-35 yrs

* The candidate must hold Indian Citizenship.

So , from the above mentioned , its clear that you are eligible for the exam if you fulfill the other required criteria too.

This is the information i have to the bets of my knowledge regarding your query. Hope the information will help you to the extent you want.
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What about biotechnology students ?
please mention whether they are eligible for the IFS exam or not
Because Biotechnology is a vast subject covering all the above mentioned subjects for appearing in IFS exam
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Hi
I have completed B.Sc Biotechnology. I am eligible for Indian Forest service exam. I have cell biology, Physiology, Animal Biotechnology, Plant Biotechnology, Environmental Biotechnology, Genetics and Biostatistics as one of subjects in B.Sc Biotechnology. Please reply as soon as possible. I am waiting for applying Indian Forest service exam 2014. Advance thanks
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Hi
I have completed B.Sc Biotechnology. I am eligible for Indian Forest service exam. I have cell biology, Physiology, Animal Biotechnology, Plant Biotechnology, Environmental Biotechnology, Genetics and Biostatistics as one of subjects in B.Sc Biotechnology. Please reply as soon as possible. I am waiting for applying Indian Forest service exam 2014. Advance thanks
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Hi
I have completed B.Sc Biotechnology. I am eligible for IFoS exam. I have cell biology, Physiology, Animal Biotechnology, Plant Biotechnology, Environmental Biotechnology, Genetics and Biostatistics as one of subjects in B.Sc Biotechnology. Please reply as soon as possible. I am waiting for applying IFoS exam 2014. Advance thanks
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Hello I am completed my bsc biotechnology I am eligible for the indian forest service or not???
My final year subject, plant development, animal development, nanotechnology, bioinformatics,
Food and dairy, tools and technology, fermentation technology.
Plz reply which graduation subject can i choose for the exams
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For IFS,The candidate must hold a Bachelor's degree in any of the following subjects/ disciplines.
Yes, biotech students are also eligible for the exam of IFS.
IFS(The Indian Foreign Service)
And IFS officers do not get bodyguards, as they are new to the service
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